pete enns universalism
With the exact same merit. God is just another word for magic. It is vitally important that we respond with a yes when He calls, and this is why humility is sooo important. Im pretty sure it looks like what we are doing on here (if our intentions are purely to seek and accept). We're raising 50k for our campaign. I think you are conflating your own journey with mine. But if he gets a response in morse, he doesnt need to empirically see whats on the other side to begin the process of knowing the other side. Or Osama bin Ladin or Warren Jeffs for that matter. You can experience a spiritual longing, connectedness, peace, transformation, serenity, boundless compassion, and so on. ? While others can ask the question and seem to do so with little reason to give thought to which God. How do you know these are HIS words? Origen and universalism, in general, were condemned as unorthodox at the Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553) . But in essence our Christian hope is a trust that God will in fact be good to his word (which is trust now verifying the identity of God through science observation seems impossible but there are many things, and I say many things we cannot fully grasp by using human studies, judgments, experimentation, etc). Good point. (Ive blogged on Benner several times, for examplehere. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation. He has written widely on hermeneutics, Christianity and science, historicity of the Bible, and Old Testament interpretation. You just need to go a little further, Peter. Bradley Jersak (Author), Peter Enns (Foreword) 167 ratings 4.5 on Goodreads 141 ratings See all formats and editions Kindle $14.99 Read with Our Free App Audiobook $0.00 Free with your Audible trial Paperback $16.55 8 Used from $10.79 25 New from $13.67 Great on Kindle Great Experience. What about more recent writings such as the Gettysburg Address? One of the things about the Western way of knowing is that it isnt really a Western way of knowing. Catholics see Angels, Mary and Jesus, Protestants usually just see Angels and Jesus, and one Protestant apparently saw a talking Bible in his NDE, while another claims to have been to heaven dozens of times and seen images from everything In Revelation, and Mormons have their own NDE bulletin, Betty Eade had a bestseller about meeting a Mormon Jesus who was not God, universalist NDEs, then there are Hindu and Buddhist visions and NDEs, like seeing a talking Buddhist turtle god, while native Americans have totem animal visions, and New Agers and some other folks claims to have seen Angels, UFOs, aliens of different species. When a European team of scientists and an American team and a Chinese team run an experiment, the results are consistent. In passing, he also makes a very interesting observation about contemporary Protestant theology: "I live in an ecclesial world in which those who value Christian orthodoxy as a concept seem invariably to drift towards either Rome or Constantinople or some amalgamation of the two which is represented by no existing church. You use the word sin in your title; I havent read your book, but I hope that in the discussion in the book you avoid much use of the term. But parents in talking with each other can often immediately grasp when a fellow parent reveals that they share that same experience. Although, both people and God can be disappointing in ways myself included. 14 Tage gratis - jederzeit kndbar | Lies & hre unbegrenzt | Groe Auswahl an neuen Bchern | 9/10 lesen mehr mit Nextory | Fr Buchliebhaber . . Which then opens up the question of what reality it what knowing we are engaged in. It just begs the question, which one? http://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith. As is knowledge of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu, and Lord Shiva. Christian mysticism should . much more defined by their longing than by theirexperience. 3. Youre still rooting your argument in the same notion of the proper locus of religious conviction. In this context, for practical reasons, some times its time to stop thinking and to take action based upon the best information and limited brains computational power and time available. If he receives no answer, fine. Outside of his academic work Enns is a contributor to HuffPost and Patheos. Thanks Pete! 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; ), and you certainly dont hear much about divorce, suicide One big reason is that I am convinced I would already be dead many times over without Gods guidance. Thanks Pete, I expressed my full view in a direct response above. The Christian trusts God even when things do not always make sense this tensions exists in the Christian message and story (but it exists in everyones story) the four Gospels are not shy in displaying this reality. Which may be revealed when two people have mutually incompatible direct perceptions in these experiences. Some people live with more uncertainty than you do. If so, they can be dismissed with their faulty foundations, but offered opportunity to reconsider their understandings and emphases to get back in the race. You can although quite innadequately (as with so many other things in life), still put them on the table. Redemption to a broken world? ), but its also important in a much deeper way. And make sure you bring your oil along with your lamps as the bridegroom is a long time in coming yet always arrives soon. And the one thing that every single wisdom tradition or religious group teaches is the way. So same with spiritual experiences. My point is that we ought to consider seriously the word of an eyewitness, especially when the eye witness is a confirmed historical figure. Across religions, the evidences are the grapes and figs. If I have the experience of perceiving spiraling motion when looking upon a static optical illusion, you cannot deny that I have the experience of perceiving motion. Combining sophisticated quantitative analysis and compelling case studies, Hijacking the Agenda sets a new standard for research on inequality and American democracyand sounds a loud warning that all scholars and citizens should hear." JACOB HACKER, Stanley Resor Professor of Political Science, Yale University Incarceration Nation I would take as examples of this people such as Jesus and the profound impact on the entire world for the good, that his truth has produced, and by extension, His Apostles and their experience. I would encourage you to ask God to show you His truth from His book. Treasures Old and NewSunday, December 30, 2018. I am sincerely interested in your thoughts on two ideas. enns has published three books hijacking the agenda: economic power and political influence (winner of the gladys m. kammerer award, presented by the american political science association to honor the best book published during the previous year in the field of u.s. national policy), incarceration nation: how the united states became the most Were two thousand years in. This wont be solved in a blog post, but heres basically where I am with all this believing in God businessin under 800 words. Its not utopia but Ill take it. It may be a way of knowing, but not necessarily yielding as many as true things as possible and as few as false things as possible. One, what does God mean? Israelite history; Old Testament and ancient Near East; Old Testament theology; biblical theology; wisdom literature; Second Temple Judaism and the New Testament. To dig down a little deeper theologically, I can deeply understand the paradox of the Incarnation of not only a God-as-man, but in the form of a baby in a manager in Galilee in first-century Palestine. transrational Mitchel Modine. Honestly and looking ahead, my mind is more centered on the significance of the sixth extinction, climate change, the forth-coming dissipation of petroleum energy, a huge human population, limited supply of fresh water for all, and need for compassion for and collaboration with others to existentially address all this. What gives? I find much of the tradition of Christianity over the last 2,000 yearsand most acutely in the generations of my life in Americato have failed what I consider to be the best centerings of the apocalyptic hope of Jesus of Nazareth. Maybe more so than that of our sense perception of sight? 800 spiritually empty words. And if Peter didnt write it and the author was not present; is it still considered an eyewitness testimony? Evidence: The heavens declare the glory of God. And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. One of the hallmarks of progressive Christianity is a rejection of biblical sexuality, and an affirmation of same-sex marriage and premarital sex. Do you think JFK could have won with that campaign statement? Read Dr. Enns full CV, B.S. Slow chuckle. It certainly seems that way as we compare the experiences of people across faiths. Proceeding ahead and remixing words just a bit, Thinking one can prove or disprove the existence of *any* God through rational analysis is to apply to *any* God a wrong way of knowing.. So Im not really sure what your point is. He is a former Senior Fellow of Biblical Studies for BioLogos and author of many books and commentaries, including Inspiration and Incarnation, The Evolution of Adam, and The Bible Tells Me So.His most recent book is The Sin of Certainty: Why God Desires Our Trust More Than Our "Correct" Beliefs. Read article the other day that said they refused to accept myth as fact. Alot of us have reached the point where the only left left to do is bring people together despite our differences. In both stories, the boat comes to rest on a mountain and birds are sent out to find land. as yours. You cannot relate to it if you dont have a little one of your own. I do not think the gospel stands on whether we can read Paul's Adam in the . Whatever the proper loci are, watch out. There are multiple (a lot!) When you know something by means of such encounter, you may not be able to express it verbally, at least not in a compelling, coherent, or exhaustive manner. According to Enns, when Paul spoke about Adam, he was not communicating actual history (though Paul believed that he was), rather, he was highlighting an important theological fact (the universal sinfulness of man), employing the most foundational biblical idiom available to him (Enns 2012, p. 142). Im not sure the world would be a better place if more people thought like me, though do you mind if I out this on my resume? With all due respect my guess is you dont really engage with non-believers in person? 1300 Eagle Road By some measure, through Jesus of Nazareth and the ensuing religion of Christianity, a longing has been fulfilled; there has been great participation. In fact, there are now around two billion adherents to the faith. You never know, He might answer you in a marvelous and loving way. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. Not if hes using evidence in the sense Ive advocated for in this thread Pete. Ed, these posts are certainly charging you up. And now my 800 words are up. straight into the night our hearts were flung Lese Exodus for Normal People: A Guide to the Storyand History of the Second Book of the Bible gratis von Peter Enns Verfgbar als Hrbuch Jetzt 14 Tage gratis testen. Messiah College So 2 Peter was written by Peter.how sure are you on that? For, everything is under the one and the same law-the law of transformation and decline. Call it a transcendental trust like Thoreau had, or like John Hick in our own day. If there is still to be a link to truth there at all. Then here you go! Peter is an Old Testament scholar (PhD, Harvard University) who currently teaches as Affiliate Faculty of Biblical Studies at Eastern University. Peter Enn's Argument for a Metaphorical Interpretation of the Bible and Why Universalism Is As Legit As . However, there are many Christians in our country who also want to enforce solely biblical beliefs here too. Both accounts included a boat in which just a few people, along with animals, are saved from a universal flood. Probably a different version of God I would presume. In view of all that is eternal it would not be worth much to consider them other than to satisfy academic curiosity. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. One final question. Praying is not the same as imposing a religion on others. As for your books title, The Sin of Certainty, you seem pretty certain that sin exists, though I suspect humans dont really need thatll added theological term since it seems more like a metaphor for any selfish behavior people of all religions or none already view in a negative fashion. For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. Too much struggle is maladaptive. These "ancient, ambiguous, and. Scientism and that we can only know things based on empirical evidence or data is also obviously wrong. From this, I have a question for you; isnt it also completely reasonable (and rational) to look at the fruits of other peoples experience to see that their belief and faith are grounded in the truth? I also visited Westminster Seminary in my early 20s and purchased some books in the store there, caught a glimpse of Cornelius Van Til, and later I exchanged emails with Paul Seely on biblical cosmology, a WTS graduate. All, or none, of the above?). You presume too much Ed. To paraphrase a much more succinct statement on the matter faith without works is a setup for very damaging failure. There are emergent properties associated with all healthy relationships, and these are put at risk when we struggle with knowing and doubting to maladaptive degrees. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. .without faith one cannot please God His words, not mine. Thankfully it is much less today. Can I find a certain kind of longing and hope to possibly be filled even on the Trump Train? Eye-witness accounts on Mount Sinai, the Mount of transfiguration, the road to Damascus and on and on. In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me.. The more I learn about the cosmos and humanitys journey of understanding it, the more the term evidence seems to be an oxymoron. I have posts on my blog, Scrivenings, about depressions and suicide among Christians, and their gullibility, i.e., religious affinity fraud. Im not discounting the importance of thinking through these deep questions. Roman Catholics and conservative Protestants have much in common and face common enemies in terms of secular humanism and all of the other anti-Christian hate groups and religions of the world. Evidence presented to our reasoning faculties is one way of knowing, not the only way, which is obvious. Even Yale was founded by some conservative ministers displeased at the growing moderation, liberalism and theological excesses as they say it, happening at Havard. Find it on Amazon: http://amzn.to/19X9WC7Find it at CBD: http://bit.ly/1dnBcesPeter Enns discusses the inerrancy of the Bible as an often contentious topic. So lets give that a shot. The way we organize socially as spiritual communities reflects how we organize the project of faith internally. Mysticsare . Over the next twelve months our focus will be "Old and New: An . Though I certainly dont want to edge into Edwards post to restate it here. What religion, denomination, sect or cult doesnt seek to also inculcate an acceptance of mystery and paradox?. Certainly they are subjective but that does not then mean they cannot be compared. Here are a couple ways: 1) Do they insist on making incorrect statements about the world as-is? http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/03/on-recovering-from-alcoholism-drug.html, See also my paper the critiques the claim that the Christian experience is unique Folks could believe, and demonstrate how what they believe causes them to live, and treat their fellow men and women. Evidence based knowledge may not be necessary for a person to believe in God, but it sure would be handy when it comes to rival claims about God between people in different religions, denominations and mystical sects, not to mention between various schools of non-religious philosophical theists, agnostics and atheists. The Christian scriptures are clear that we can indeed experience God if we respond to Him when He calls us. prof at Westminster Seminary for his progressive evangelicalism, and has not identified himself as a universalist. On another point, both in Johns writings and Peters writings there are statements of eye-witness testimonies. But lacking a definitive first hand revelation of God and with all of your questions, at what point does one cease asking yet more questions, and perhaps start to view all religions as limited expressions or interpretations of God like prof. of religious philosophy John Hick eventually did after growing up Evangelical? 1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; You are presuming that I am naive about other religions. Out of curiosity may I know your position on 2nd Peter. Are we to have doubts that Lincoln actually wrote it there are no living eye-witnesses needless to say. That instead, my friend needed to see realia like a man in a soviet prison who goes to the very cell wall and taps a message in morse. It is into this "cross-pressured" situation that Peter Enns wades with this new book, The . Also, your point about eyewitness testimony is inaccurate. I also would want to point out that the Christian religion has to do with a person named Jesus (as christians we believe this Jesus is still transforming lives and hes on the loose), in other words it is not just a simple have faith or belief The Christian faith is a living trust that Jesus Christ (messiah) will rescue (has will in the future) the world for a global renewal (earth and heaven). To me, simply, neither these two billion adherents nor their leaders really seem all that differentiated from their peer adherents of Allah, Brahma, and more in sacred task of transforming the world. Matthew 13:52. What do you think of people like George Mller? Without discounting all those wonderful things, I do not think that the God question is settled this way. OT . I mean, youre already done this with respect to Christian Mystics. I believe that, if there is a Creator, this Higher Power is not a being that we can know exclusively or primarily through this western way of knowing. If another person or group of persons has a different list, they have different values from mine. But what I cannot comprehend is that after two thousand years, these loftiest of other-way-of-knowing-related claims have produced only some good. Are you willing to also consider; Hindu scriptures, Muslim scriptures, Buddhist, scriptures, Taoists scriptures, etc? Sorry for the late reply. 298 . Edward, you assume that people cant hold doubt while maintaining a vibrant Christian faith that is simply not true. If this is my basis, Im as comfortable (maybe more comfortable) with a Great Spirit of native Americans as I am with a YHWH of Israel. Id suggest if participation, longing, , and immediacy are ways of knowing God, that they would more need to be means of recursively traversing an infinite regress of fractal complexity than means of simply and linearly knowing a static being. This is perhaps another way to look at the sin of certainty. Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths is fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. I suspect that leaving the Westminster cocoon could be unsettling, but you are still ensconced cozily in the moderate to liberal Christian cocoon. Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. This is very simple. There is no external mention of the writing until Origen in the 3rd century. Perhaps even the characteristics on the other-way-of-knowing list are not beyond study. wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that its possibly an I witness account..the sin of certainty. How sure are you that those are eyewitness accounts. Could it well be that this spiritual sense is very prone to illusion as well? Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths are fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. ". Doesnt everyone including yourself feel an urge to respond given an open forum and divergent points of view? Id rather live today in the western world than at any other time in human history. Read Nondiscrimination Policy. Perhaps less than that, I would be more arrogant, less loving, poorer, and have no progeny. Interesting title. Thats not to say that understanding the world as-is doesnt matter; it does. None the less, I believe in Democracy and think Iron Man is awesome. I think that if all religious believers could accept such limitations, and find in the penumbra thereof, that there is no certainty, and therefore, no grounds for believing to the exclusion of other faiths, wed find less conflict in this world. Normal people can figure it out. Id take the liberty of summarizing that your belief in God, to the extent you do, is based on faith, not fact. For those who hold the view that the Bible contains an ever-expanding revelation of the truth and knowledge of God from beginning to end, what is to be taken away from your article? As is our deference in religious spheres to authorities revelations. Bringing people together seems easier when their differences are not discussed. So please do not think I am trying to quantitize it in some scientific sense. It loads making sure we hold the correct beliefs with too much weight; we then shore up our set of beliefs in a fortress of impregnability, making them the source of our trust and so-called certainty rather trusting in the living God. This blog was first posted in March 2016. In regards to ones intelligence, I am reading St Teresa of Avilas Interior Castle right now and in the first parts of it she refers to herself as stupid and if they (the nuns she is writing to) understand what she is saying, it is not herself that is speaking but it is God through her. Another mans spiritual experience cannot be denied. Namely the objective facts that these experiences are shared between many parents, that they have roughly the same qualia of experience, and that having a child of your own seems to bring them about. By Peter K. Enns I have published three books: Hijacking the Agenda (with Chris Witko, Nate Kelly and Jana Morgan), Incarceration Nation, and Who Gets Represented? [1] Enns' view is that the Bible is essentially a human collection (s) of different stories (by different authors/editors) that have a common reference to "God". Many say, Lord, Lord. Small is the gate and narrow is the road. Proud men who reject His call are incredibly stupid and foolish beyond measure. Scientists tend to understand everything through the lens of our basic five senses which reside in our body and soul. However, today, philosophers who reject Cartesian or Substance Dualism acknowledge that subjective states like color, pain, and thoughts are objectively real using empirical tools. Good concepts of God and faiths are ripe with irony and paradox in their making the world right. Indeed, it is a way of knowing that has been championed as part of the development of culture in the Western tradition, but to pigeon hole the method as somehow distinctively Western is to lose something about its universality in a universe that significantly appears to exhibit fundamental uniformity. Theists believe magic is real. But if you are after people of all religions, denominations, sects and cults saying, We dont really know, but why change because this seems to be working alright? Fine. I think there are multiple reality tunnels and people make many different claims concerning their personal experiences. ". Thanks for this post. The Spirit? I count it a great privilege to help students keep their horizons in front of them and come to know God better on their life-journey. I also think such proper locus can help one find meaning, less in understanding reality and more, in creating or otherwise affecting reality. I want to be like you. Here in this comment thread, we havent really talked about the latter. That is a blessing from God. Every disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who draws out from their storage room things both old and new. I find cultural differences to be fascinating and rich sources in discovering what is possible within the human experience. How we study and understand these relationships, and their separate parts, and the enjoyment of the results of that understanding, are very important, fulfilling, stretching etc. Thanks for posting this. Pete: I much prefer your brand of Christianity to others, and the world would be a better place if more people thought like you. In her book Shameless, Nadia Bolz-Weber argues for a new Christian sexual ethic that allows for moderate pornography consumption, one-night stands, same-sex encounters, and virtually any sexual activity that demonstrates a "concern for each other . Did you see the same thing I saw? Does it mean that same thing to you?. It is in this context, that Christianity, for me, is a profound disappointment. They long to know Gods love andthereby to be filled with the very fullness of God[Ephesians 3:17-19]. 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